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I'm sorry, I know this is boring to you.

Oh man, this morning on the drive in to work I heard them do a piece on the Prius! Because it was just announced as Motor Trend's Car of the Year. Man! I could consider that A Sign if I wanted to!

On the other hand, I spent ~3 minutes this morning and found a loaded Saturn Ion with 16,000 miles on it for about HALF of what the Prius costs.

Decisions, decisions.


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Nov. 20th, 2003 06:11 am (UTC)
It is most definitely a sign.

Is leasing not an option?
Nov. 20th, 2003 07:34 am (UTC)
Sort of! I'd have to deal with Toyota then, but it would be $40 or $50 a month less. I'm leasing my current car, and I'm happy with it. So it's something to consider.

The guy at the dealership was actually downplaying leasing, isn't that weird? He was the worst car salesman ever, he was decidedly non-pushy. Which was fine for me, but I don't think the poor guy is going to ever sell a car.
Nov. 20th, 2003 07:41 am (UTC)
he should be working at saturn...
Nov. 20th, 2003 08:40 am (UTC)
Do they have any figures for how much you'd save in gasoline/maintenance/whatever if you chose the Prius instead?
Nov. 20th, 2003 09:53 am (UTC)
Let's make some up. Say you drive 12,000 miles a year. And say that the Prius takes the cheap gas (I have no idea whether it does). I don't know about where you live, but around here the cheap gas can be found for about $1.60 a gallon.

So the Priuis gets 60mpg. Which means you'll spend $320 a year on gas. Whereas a Protege gests about 25, apparently. And you'll spend $768 a year. So you could save around $450 a year.

My conclusion in general is, I don't think that saving money on gas is a really good reason to choose one car over another. Case in point: my turbo gets something like 17 mpg in the city. And it drinks the expensive 92 octane. I could be driving something else and saving some money on gas. But I like what it does with the gas.

I think it's a safe bet that the maintenance on a hybrid will be at least as expensive as another car the same age. But predicting maintenance costs is a total crapshoot in any situation.

Aaaaaanyway, Washu, I say the smart thing is to get the cheaper car. The financially smart thing to do is buy a car that's slightly used and then run it into the ground. But people don't always do the smart thing with their money, and you and I are obviously no exception. I bought the car I wanted and it is definitely nice to have a few years with almost no maintenance headaches, and to be driving the car you really wanted.

Now wouldn't it be nice if you could magically come up with an extra $400 a month to pay for it? ;)
Nov. 20th, 2003 11:27 am (UTC)
Re: well
You're being quite liberal with those numbers, but you're right in that the savings due to better gas mileage would be negligible. Somewhere on the lines of two to three hundred a year.

I don't think that saving money on gas is a really good reason to choose one car over another.

No, it's not a money issue. Part of it is a gas thing, though.

Now wouldn't it be nice if you could magically come up with an extra $400 a month to pay for it? ;)

First of all, it's nowhere near FOUR hundred, I never threw numbers like THAT around. And secondly, yes, that's an area where I could look to cut some costs, but that's just something else that needs to be weighed. Could I stop smoking entirely, and save a lot of money? Sure. Could I spend next to nothing on a car I *really* don't want? Could I start putting in a lot more overtime? Could I cancel my cable, my broadband, lose the cell phone? Sure. It's hard to put a dollar value on what keeps you happy and content.
Nov. 20th, 2003 12:15 pm (UTC)
so it does effect memory?
No, it's not a money issue. Part of it is a gas thing, though

You mean like, for the environment? Sure. I mean, good!

First of all, it's nowhere near FOUR hundred, I never threw numbers like THAT around

I'm sorry to be a nitpicky dick, but yes, you did. I didn't make that number up. It's beside the point though, I hope you realize I'm just giving you a hard time. I think spending money on the things that make you happy is important. Look at how much I tend to blow on silly things like computers and motorcycles. If weed made me happy, well, that motorcycle could buy a lot of it.

You should DEFINITELY lose the cell phone for one that can recieve SMS, though.
Nov. 20th, 2003 12:50 pm (UTC)
you should get something with a diesel engine. a beetle or something. then convert it to Greasel.
Nov. 20th, 2003 03:26 pm (UTC)
Hey, they have a free contest to win a Scion at http://win-a-scion.net/

You could enter that, and if you win, sell the Scion and buy the Prius :)
Nov. 20th, 2003 04:05 pm (UTC)
The carish one is so funny looking that it might be cool in real life, but goodness, that xB one is atrocious! Yeesh.

A good idea! I win contests sometimes! Unfortunately, I'm not a resident of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina or South Carolina. Oh well.
Nov. 20th, 2003 04:57 pm (UTC)
Oops, I forgot about the state requirements.
Nov. 20th, 2003 08:25 pm (UTC)
I've seen that xB driving around here, and I think it does look cool in real life. I'm not usually a fan of boxy, I've never seen boxy taken to this extreme before.

Also, the name of their car looks like an emoticon.
Nov. 21st, 2003 01:05 pm (UTC)
Get the Prius :)
I realize we hardly know each other but since I'm a car-geek I felt compelled to throw in my two cents.

When I was shopping around for a convertible I looked at the reviews for the Toyota Solara drop-top. The worst criticism of it was "we expect a tighter construction from a Toyota". Apparently it had a few body rattles which is A VERY common thing in for a convertible. ANY convertible. Folks expect more from Toyota for a reason - they make rock-solid cars.

The discussion of gas mileage numbers got me thinkin'. I suck at math so my numbers might be way off but here goes... My '95 LeBaron Convertible currently gets around 22-25 mpg. I drive around 34 miles per day to work and back. So 34 x 5 = 170 miles per week. 170 x52 = 8,840 miles per year. So with my car it would be about 353.6 gallons of gas. At $1.50 a gallon (I think that's a pretty safe average for the moment) that's $530.40 I'm spending on gas.. just to get to work and back. If I was driving a new Prius I'd be getting around 55mpg (combined) and using 161 gallons of gas. That's just $241.50! So I'd save $288.90. Not too shabby. So maybe it would save you a month's payment and some change?

If I were stinkin' rich I'd probably get one as Winter work commute car - if for no other reason than to symbolically flip da bird to the oil companies. But since Ize poor it wouldn't be worth it to me. Besides, wouldn't be able to put the top down on nice days.

But hey, we're not talking about me here. It seems like you REALLY want this car - so get it. I've known guys who got their second choice (for whatever reason) and they always end up rationalizing reasons to be dissatisfied with it.

My recommendations:
Check out the Prius (or any potential car) on Carpoint or Edmund's. Use these guys to research the price that dealer pays and go from there.

If you're not happy with the dealer then fuck 'em! Just leave. There's no shortage of Toyota dealerships in the area.

I hope this helps

Nov. 25th, 2003 12:59 pm (UTC)
My roommate just got the new Prius. We drive it to work every day and I get transfixed watching the screen that charts out battery generation and gas mileage and stuff.

It's a pretty sweet car, and I would totally buy one if I had an extra $25K lying around. I still don't own a normal car, so I am constantly mooching rides off people. That may have been acceptable in high school, but at age 24, I think this may have to end soon.
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